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So, this made me officially hate both Beau and Molly. They want to act like their soo great, saying that Nott needs to trust them, yet Nott is correct. What has any of them has done to earn her or anyone's trust. All I see is, Molly being a know it all and Beau acting tough while being a whinny girl when something don't go her way.
At what point are the others gonna stop buying Caleb's obvious bullshit? The filthy underhanded jerk is like one of those reality show jerks. He is very dissuasive.
EDIT: I just saw the pivotal stuff... and yet I can't help but feel Caleb is a jerk. Of course, this in no way is gonna stop me from continuing to watch.
I know I’m 4 months behind but Molly has been kind of an asshole to Nott and Caleb, obviously they wouldn’t completely trust him specifically because he’s always talking to them about not trusting them.
the entire time they are squabbling about the magic item, I was thinking "Go to Pumat Sol's"
edit: Holy fucking character arc batman
edit 2: GO TO PUMAT SOL!!!!!!
edit 3: FINALLYYYYYY!!!!
edit 4: TARYYYYYYY!!!!
edit 5: and I fucking love Mollymauk
I can't help it. I hated Keyleith and I hate Beauregard. I just don't like Marisha, her way of throwing out "funny" remarks that I never can laugh about, her super socially awkward characters that never are able to just be cool because of what she says (they can do cool stuff, but that's mostly thanks to the great DM), the moment where it's totally Sams/Notts Moment about his awesome relationship with Caleb and she thinks "oh well, I guess I'm busting in and try to take the talking turn", all those moments when Marisha didn't pay enough attention and does something stupid in a fight (just like when she tried to save Nott from the Manticore and because of that it got an attack of opportunity and send Nott unconscious instead of letting her get out herself on her next turn where she could have easyly disengaged as a bonus action). I wish she would not be part of critical role - which is so sad, because I love Matt Mercer (and they are married and with that there will be never the one without the other) and his abilities to create an awesome plot, great characters and just goes with all the funny and stupid stuff his players throw at him. Every one is a great, important part of critical role. Just not Marisha. That's my personal opinion, but for me she is always a reason to frown, get upset and enjoy this awesome show a little less.
This episode made me dislike Beau and Molly more than I had. A Miss placed scroll wasn't anywhere near as threatening as they're all making it out to be while being as dickish as possible about it. Mountains out of mole hills here.
The trust debate between Nott, Molly, Beau and Fjord was a mess xD Molly kept trying to push the ideas of trusting each other like an unsaid 'family unit', Beau immediately undercut him by saying she doesn't care about trust, making her part of Molly's problem - Fjord stays so reasonable and middle-ground that he doesn't really say anything but flow between both arguments - and then at the end of Nott sharing the relationship she has with Caleb, Molly immediately dismisses with 'I don't care', and 'stop asking people to earn things' which goes back on his whole claim to begin with - the other three are a mess of contradictions really not sure what they're trying to 'sell' here at all - with the right wording and thought, you COULD reasonably argue that since they're working together, they need to be able to rely on each other, and Caleb's move was irrational and almost brought harm, but they don't really SAY that in a straight forward way. The only one with a firm grasp on their intentions and standing IS Nott (Sam, as always, master of words), and she makes all the right arguments, only it comes across as her losing the conversation because the other three keep charging ahead with what they "think" is the right idea.
There's a little bit of uncertainty in terms of sticking to each character, but I think the cast play it as well as they can, they're just no match for Sam/Nott and his ability to make a reasonable point xD (his emphasis on trust not being based on life on death strikes me as really important because really it's not something you usually value when it comes to trusting in someone - you value the way they treat/talk to you and the things, big or small, they do for you)
I love how you can almost see the regret on everyone's faces as Caleb's looking at the items and getting excited for the group, and who might like what, and they just got done shit talking him for like 10 mins XD
I know a lot of people are complaining, but I feel that everything, especially the argument, was so in character for everyone. Like, Molly thinking he's smarter than he is, Beau being selfish confused and conflicted, Fjord being strict but fair, and Jester just well and truly being Jester. I honestly loved it, especially momma Nott, her and Caleb's relationship is so damn interesting.
That argument was infuriating. Probably realistic. I may be biased in my opinions because Nott, Caleb, and Fjord are my favorite characters but nevertheless it seems pretty divided so I wanted to put my opinion out there.
Molly I've developed low expectations for. I don't expect anything remotely logical out of him. I hated everything Molly said in this argument because none of it makes sense. I dont plan Talieisin for any of this but I think he should play a more passive role sometimes. Molly is supposed to be carefree.
I flat out hate Beau (as a person/character.) Marisha is playing her accurately. I just dislike the character. The character makes sense, and she had some logical points.
Nott was definitely ultimately right in everything she said. She deserves distrust because of her previous actions. I really appreciate the dynamic she has with Caleb and I'm very invested in their story.
Caleb is my favorite character, though he does annoy me at times. I'm not sure if he is supposed to be a portrayal of social anxiety but if so it is accurate. I appreciate the mystery even if it's causing problems. I wish he had been there for the argument because I would like to hear his perspective.
Ultimately, I believe there was three sides: Molly and Beau being antagonistic, Jester and Fjord looking to resolve the issue, and Nott and Caleb are getting defensive (justifiably) and perhaps stepping out of line.
I am on the side of Fjord and Jester. I wish Molly and Beau didn't just shout over them. It was in character but very irritating. If thats how they want to play their game, whatever, but this is my opinion. Fjord and Jester have been kind and have been trying to gain their trust. They actually wanted to just confront the issue of mistrust rather than argue about it. Nott and Caleb are completely justified in their lack of trust, they haven't known the group for very long, but the concern of mistrust getting them killed is very real.
However, them stealing the scroll case was not the largest "trace" they left. I can't even believe that they thought in character that it could have been.
I understand they're not always going to make optimal choices, that would be lame, but I needed to rant that out. I almost skipped the argument. It only ended up reinforcing my opinions about the characters. Its very unfortunate that I always end up disliking Talieisin and Marisha's characters because they seem like great people. (Molly is likeable as long as he sticks to being carefree and doesnt try to be super serious.)
I appreciate the insistent correction of Bryce's pronouns when someone gets them wrong. And generally just the casual presence of lgbt+ characters. It's nice, that just being a normal thing. As an lgbt person it's really nice to see. Just a generally good feeling.
The end result of this episode is that I really think molly, beau, and fjord. Their conversation about trust with Nott was full on garbage. The definition of holier than thou characters. Hopefully things change. Interesting character development though.
You can't copy cantrips into your spellbook, the book can only contain spells of 1st level or higher. (Though I could see someone allowing you to do so, but then needing to prepare and cast them as if they were 1st level)
The old layout was a lot better when the players were the main highlight and had the big screen and the map had the small corner. The cast is what I am interested in 90% of the battle, positions I can see from a small picture, there aren't enough pixels to really see their faces well when they are zoomed out so far
Molly really had no leg to stand on in the argument with Nott. Remember when he straight up encouraged her to steal from Beau? Also, saying Caleb turned on the group. Dude, what? He tried to steal a scroll after they already left evidence they were there. Fjord put a blade to his throat and threatened to leave both Caleb and Nott there in response. Bit of overreaction.
Can someone tell me what the Taryon book means? I just recently started watching Critical Role, and I’ve fallen in love with the story line. However, I never watched the first campaign, if that what the Taryon book is referencing.
molly and beau talking about trust , nott makes it about trust , "it's not about earning each others trust" ... eh what?
"we dont trust you" 2 mins later "if you dont trust us i take that platinum back right now" eh... ?
so molly and beau not trusting caleb and nott is okay but the reverse isnt? am i missing something?
33:10 every week, we get so see at least one player no know how their spell DCs are calculated, and once again nobody helps matt by explaining the rule.
EDit; still love these kids though
Edit #2: hrnnggg Liam and magic item hoarding/fuckery though.
The way Liam and Sam are able and willing to be emotional in front of everyone, really shows the trust and bond they all have together at the table. It's quite a beautiful sight to see and really proves how great this game is when played with close friends.
Beau is really bugging me... She's not helpful and she's always slowing down the group trying to pull for information when everyone wants to just go. After that little speech by Nott she just wasn't respectful or kinder. It really burned me up when she tried to interupt and then still said she'd beat Caleb up if he got in her way... She just always has to be right and it's really getting on my nerves. To be honest, I think Sam's nerves too. I won't speak for him but...
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