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The Last of Us - Joel's Lie

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Brysen1439 (3 months ago)
joel did nothing wrong
Esper Accelerator (5 months ago)
the end of one of the greatest games of all time. and the zombie thing i think is original.
ibealec (6 months ago)
Joel DID lie. He's lying by omission. He implies that the fireflies didn't feel like they needed Ellie for a cure. Which they did. I personally would've made the same choice, but it's lying nonetheless. I hope y'all don't live your lives thinking the omission of truth isn't lying. At least Joel knows he's lying. And I think Ellie does too.
KingdomMinded 87 (5 months ago)
ibealec FACTS!! He lied period because he said they stopped looking for a cure. That wasn’t the truth! His actions are gonna come back to haunt him in Part 2. What he did was touching but also selfish, because he doomed humanity. He also killed Marlene! How do you think Ellie would feel about that when she finds out?
xavier (7 months ago)
she knows.
whatever2468xyz (8 months ago)
I found all the recordings and Joel did lie but I think he made the right choice, Ellie would have chosen to die but only because she had become depressed and thought she had nothing to live for towards the end. I don't think she would have made the same choice if she was in a proper state of mind
Le Leedler (1 year ago)
He didn't lie... If you read one of the doctors voice recorders it says they've tested on others and it wasn't successful, and if the queen Firefly died in search of a cure I think they'd quit trying. There are no lies.
Le Leedler (11 months ago)
Tha Chief I am saying he didn't, he didn't lie because he found evidence that the fireflies had failed in the past... So maybe he did to a degree but, he didn't lie about the fact that other kids didn't offer any difference. So no he is being truthful.
Tha Chief (11 months ago)
Le Leedler he did lie
ChristaElsa (1 year ago)
Joel did nothing wrong
XxDustxX (1 year ago)
The ending was great but not really all that complex. I honestly don't feel Joel lied to Ellie. In the recordings at the hospital their are tape explain other cases like Ellie. In all of those case they failed to gind a cure a thesubjected died. Personally after hearing that I wanted to break Ellie out of their knowing they'd likely fail again and the world would loose one more person for nothing. Many say the lie is the fact that the fireflies stopped looking, however that part is not true either completly. Joel kills Marline, which for all intensive purposes means The fireflies might fall apart or change focus under new leadership. I think most of the tension in the ending "lies" in the fact of the emotional strain of the sistuation. I believe Ellie understands what Joel means when he says he's telling the truth but understands the sistuation isn't as black and white as she might want to hear.
KingdomMinded 87 (5 months ago)
XxDustxX The Doctor said what he saw in Ellie was unlike anything he had ever seen before. And like ☝🏾said. The other subjects were not immune. Part 2 is gonna answer a lot of Questions about Part 1. Part 2 will reveal whether or not Joel was right in his actions to save Ellie. When we play Part 2 we will no longer have to have this debate anymore.
animejerk05 (1 year ago)
The other test subjects were not immune like ellie. why do people always get this wrong
HipHop (1 year ago)
The ending for me was bitter sweet, and I loved it. It was great and terrible, what he did was selfish and at the same time very touching. To be completely honest I think Ellie knew, and I say that because of the way she questioned him upon waking up, and then again at the end. I think more than anything she wanted him to lie to her, I believe she wanted to know he wanted to continue his journey with her as much as she wanted to with him. The expressions and acting done in this game were done very well, and ultimately lead me to this interpretation. This is how I perceived it anyways.
Well the human race would just find another reason to go crazy
Gendo ruwo (1 year ago)
You could see the anger, the rage and disappointment on Ellie's face and breathing, when Joel swears he's not lying. Ellie knows Joel's lying. But then Ellie resigns and accepts. Saddened, but resigned. I believe many adults (and some kids too) would know that feeling: that you know you've been lied upon, but you choose to believe anyway, forgive and accept, ... out of love. Ellie loves Joel. She's hurt by the lie, but chose to play along anyway, to at least be able to relieve Joel's distress, to at least keep Joel's honor, as a 'dad'. After all they've been through, she just has to believe there's a good reason for Joel's actions, and that someday he would tell her. But that is a story for another day. "Love is an act of endless forgiveness." as once quoted.
Joseph (2 years ago)
Didn't the guy on the recorder say there were more like her? So did he really lie to her?
KingdomMinded 87 (5 months ago)
Joseph The Doctor on the recording said what Ellie had was unlike anything he had ever seen before. It’s not clear exactly what that exactly means. Joel still lied about the Fireflies though. Now the question is was he wrong for lying? That’s why Part 2 is very important. Part 2 will answer a lot of Questions. I honestly believe that in Part 2 Joel’s actions are gonna come back to haunt him. He lied to Ellie, and he killed Marlene. Ellie and Joel’s relationship is going to change this time around. And it won’t be such a good ending!
Brian Murphy (9 months ago)
allsports100 Yeah, fuck her. Lol. Jk, she may be a little pissed but she could understand due to what happened with Joel and what would've happened if Joel let Marlene take her? Joel couldn't live with losing someone so special again.
allsports100 (1 year ago)
Joseph Parks either lie or not Joel killed marleane I sit. Think Ellie will be ok with that
sonpacho (3 years ago)
ummm...so what was the lie? I haven't played the game. What did he tell her about the Fireflies?
Brian Murphy (9 months ago)
This is one of the best games EVER! (Just my opinion) but I would recommend playing the game if you've got a PlayStation 3/4.
Isaac Morales (1 year ago)
sonpacho th
Necroside (2 years ago)
She was gonna die to the operation they were going to do because lack of proper technology and more or less cutting a person's skull open and cutting away their brain usually leaves you dead 99% of the time. Her dying to the virus doesn't seem too likely since she's immune.
Shayne Clavecilla (2 years ago)
+Arno Dorian wait whatttt ???? so means she will die ? because joel's actions
sonpacho (2 years ago)
+Arno Dorian OK
shadowheart52 (3 years ago)
She knew he was lying before she even asked him to swear on it.
sgauden02 (3 years ago)
Ellie knows Joel is lying, you can see it in her face.
TheLankieMidget (3 years ago)
I really want the music from this bit, the guitar in the background anyone know it theres a song with it i tried the path but it starts when the credits role so skips this bit
Harry Weisdorf (11 months ago)
On spotify, the path does include the bit before the credits. Try there again because I listened to it moments ago
TheLankieMidget (1 year ago)
i said in my original comment that i tried the path and it skips over the guitar bit when ellie asks joel if he's telling the truth... it is in the path but its played underneath the credits song so you don't get the same effect this scene does... basically im looking for this end scene without dialogue
anfibon (1 year ago)
The Path, Gustavo Santaolalla
TheLankieMidget (1 year ago)
1 year later and im back here still searching for that edit and nada i got nothing :(
Pete Wong (2 years ago)
Sounds very Godfather like!!!
Darc Hart94 (3 years ago)
Technically Joel isn't lieing, it's implied through recordings in the hospital before you save her that the surgeon has done the procedure on many others similar to ellie, but they all died from the surgery and the necessary tissues were damaged, there may be even more people like ellie, but short of a lot of people being bitten by zombies there's no way to tell. So he's not exactly lieing(as long as you listen to the recordings), but not telling the truth either
KingdomMinded 87 (5 months ago)
Chris Koloski You got that wrong! Go replay the game. What the Doctor said was what he saw in Ellie was unlike anything he had ever seen. Now I’m not sure exactly what that means. As for Joel, yes he did lie!! He lied to Ellie and said that they stopped looking for a cure! No where in the recording did it say that there were 12 more people like Ellie. Joel made that up!! He also lied to her about the Fireflies, and he killed Marlene. Joel’s actions was touching but very selfish. Because he doomed humanity! This is why Part 2 is very important. Part 2 is going to answer a lot of Questions about Part 1. Was Joel wrong or was he right for lying? And the developer already said himself that it won’t be such a good ending this time around.
Oscar Mayal (4 years ago)
What would you have done? Lie to her, or let her be killed in the surgery, it's a tough one
SergeantObezity (3 months ago)
I would save her, like I’m not gonna protect her just so I can sit here knowing she is gonna die
Gendo ruwo (1 year ago)
You see, the thing about kids and teenagers, is that they are too 'idealistic', they think they can save the world. (hence Japanese anime and jrpgs ) Joel is like a model of a parent, protecting his child from her own naivette. Joel wants Ellie to live on a bit more, to grow up a bit more, before deciding what to do for herself... Certainly better than the Fireflies' utter disrespect for Ellie, forcing a life-ending surgery on her without consent. I am a parent. And yes, I'd save my child, just like Joel does.
Alp Demirel (3 years ago)
i would save her if i was Joel
Madara Uchiha (4 years ago)
+STAHPTHEGABEN S  Don't contradict yourself. You basically JUST said yourself that he DID indeed still LIE. So yes, he DID for a fact LIE. And most of the time when it's not the WHOLE truth, it might as well be a whole big lie.
Mark M (4 years ago)
joel wasnt lying. remember the tape recorder you find saying that there are 12 other test subjects and ellie was basically a hope for a cure?
Alp Demirel (3 years ago)
 Ellie is special not like the others The girl’s infection is like nothing I’ve ever seen. This sentence means there was another ones ( i'm not sure lol )
Timo Yones (3 years ago)
is this quote below is the tape recorders that said there is another immune subject? "April 28th. Marline was right. The girl’s infection is like nothing I’ve ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain. As we’ve seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of the patient’s Cordyceps remain high in both the serum and the cerebrospinal fluid. Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grows Cordyceps in funal-media in the lab… however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRi of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients. We must find a way to replicate this state under laboratory conditions. We’re about to hit a milestone in human history equal to the discovery of penicillin. After years of wandering in circles, we’re about to come home. make a difference. and bring the human race back into control of it’s own destiny. All of our sacrifice and the hundreds of men and women who’ve bled for this cause, or worse, will not be in vain" i dont recall there is any tape recorder saying 12 subject.. or i miss the tape recorder?
Jeremy C (3 years ago)
No. The surgeon is quite clear they haven't encountered a patient like Ellie before and most likely the case that the "people dying in vain" were Fireflies who had died protecting the cause, which was finding a cure in this instance. The tape recorder never says '12 test subjects like Ellie'.  In fact, it says Ellie was 'like nothing seen before' according to the surgeon/doctor.  The past cases that were being referred to here were about the actual infected people (those who had turned, 'gotten aggressive' due to the parasite affecting the limbic system/area of the brain).  All of this is in the recording. The makers of the game, Naughty Dog, purposely made it so there's no easy way out of this dilemma, that there's no comfortable option to be had here. You know exactly where Joel is coming from. Practically the entire game is made to make Joel emotionally invested in Ellie to the point Ellie has, virtually, become another Sarah to him. He can't bare to have another Sarah on his conscience, he's not going to let this infected and rotten world steal another loved one from him.
Xainab A. (4 years ago)
After all what is the point of that dumb question of her?!!!
Xainab A. (4 years ago)
Yea her look told me that she knew..but , she knows why i mean her did it cz first he cant tell her that the fireflies isn't true all they've been through and second and he did it to keep her i think and she didnt say anything bcz she can't lose joel!! Cz they are the only ones for eachothers that's what i think.
Ellie Johnson (4 years ago)
i knew it!
theisoganders (4 years ago)
where was that doctor's recording..???
theisoganders (4 years ago)
where was that doctor's recording..???
theisoganders (4 years ago)
where was that doctor's recording..???
Laura Dambron (5 years ago)
He lied as a father would have lied to his child for his protection and she trusts him as a child would trust his father
Brysen1439 (3 months ago)
did you ever ask the question if humanity even deserved to be saved? i sure as hell thousands times over would make same choice he did yes i would of killed humanity but to me humanity seems like a lost cause at this piont, in my eyes ''joel did nothing wrong.''
KingdomMinded 87 (5 months ago)
Laura Dambron No, Joel lied because he didn’t want to once again lose someone that he loved. He lost his daughter 20 years ago, and then he and Ellie built a Father and daughter bond. And he didn’t want to lose her because it would’ve brought him back to what he went through 20 years ago. And I feel for him! What he did was touching, but it was also very selfish. Because he doomed humanity! Ellie is the key to the cure, and she knows it. And she was willing to Sacrifice her own life because of it. Joel lied to her about the Fireflies because he loved her, and didn’t want to lose her. But the world that they know it as will always be what it is because of Joel’s actions. Part 2 is gonna answer a lot of Questions about Part 1. Joel’s actions are gonna come back to haunt him. And it won’t be such a good ending!
Scott Mescudi (5 years ago)
I believe Ellie knows Joel is lying
NEG Toxic3Dcats (5 years ago)
at least they didn't die
shoesarenice (5 years ago)
The recording doesn't say there are more like Ellie. To our knowledge shes the only one immune.
JohnOosterMusic (5 years ago)
Joel reminds me so much of Rick at this scene. The "Stuff" and "Thangs" vibe is totally showing.
THEaaronTHE (5 years ago)
if you read closely, the recordings say that her mutation is special and different from the others. there was hope and joel lied.
marc anthony (5 years ago)
i dont even know if he lied or not -.- for me i think he dint lied
30felo (5 years ago)
still they were about to kill ellie if they did shed be d 13 or 14 subject thats immune to die
Jose Eduardo Santos (5 years ago)
People, just learn how to read dots and commas, Joel Lied. Ellie was the only and unic case of immunity.
Neopold (5 years ago)
I WANNA KNOW THE TRUTH. SOME PEOPLE SAY JOEL LIED AND SOME PEOPLE SAY HE DIDN'T!!!
KingdomMinded 87 (5 months ago)
Neopold Joel Lied to Ellie about the Fireflies. He told her that they stopped looking for a cure, and their were a lot of other people who were immune. People are trying to say the Doctor’s recording said there were other immune people. And that is NOT the truth! The Doctor said that he had never seen anything like what he saw in Ellie. So yes, Joel lied to her. And his actions are gonna come back to haunt him in Part 2. Just watch!!
admiralalex1000 (5 years ago)
if you try a failed cure time just for hope it's just sad and it's a waist of life.
admiralalex1000 (5 years ago)
and i meant their cure
admiralalex1000 (5 years ago)
Even if they found a cure it probably wouldn't last long the virus would most likely beat there cure and then it goes to shit all over again. Also the fireflies are a bunch of assholes as is the army.
GameRevolution GR (5 years ago)
Exactly, he didn't tell the whole truth. He lied.
STAHPTHEGABEN S (5 years ago)
HE DIDN'T LIE! The last doctor's recording said that there were more like Ellie, they used all of them in a attempt to make a cure... They failed each time. They only keep doing this so they have hope... The only thing Joel lied about was the Fireflies not looking for a cure anymore...

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