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Early Access Hardware – The Problem With AMD Vega Frontier Edition

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Thomas Jansen (6 months ago)
This isnt the LTT i know, nobody gets pinned anymore
Omar Alawwad (1 month ago)
Thomas Jansen I
xXx_MlgTr1kSh00ter _Xx (1 month ago)
Hah gg
Freakin Kat (2 months ago)
Thomas Jansen lmfao!
Random Guy (6 months ago)
Thomas Jansen sucker
Thomas Jansen (6 months ago)
yes
Kevin McMahon (1 day ago)
Both Radeon and NVidia have let us down. I do 4K 10bit color editing in Divinci Resolve and I don't care about gameing. I want more cores or streaming units. I want more than 16 gigabytes of VRam. I have a LGA2011 rig with X99 chipset and it is blisteringly fast all by itself. The graphics card I have comes from that era, namely a R7970/R9280. Coining has robbed me of better video editing, so now I wait until the price of ram and vid cards comes back to a reasonable price. I will wait until early 2019 before I look again. My Blackmagic Camera outputs are strangled by the tech sphere.
Tom Coteman (3 days ago)
AMD is not going to make it in the GPU world only if they make the best GPU of all time like 10k gaming but the will last in the land of CPUS
@Linus very useful video. However, I wouldn't give credit to NVIDIA for unlocking FP64 on Titan Xp for selected applications only, after AMD released Vega FE. It was clearly intended for damaging AMD's prospects in particular sectors of the market.
You guys are too nice about this. You got played.
Alex Ackerman (10 days ago)
Why is there a bug crawling on it?
Genguise (17 days ago)
you're actually biased as fuck.you give the tanky nvidia cards a fair trial and only try them in proper benchmarking softwares like cinebench and you should have realised early on that a card with 16 gigabytes of ram wouldn't be for gaming. we all know you're not that dumb, don't pretend you are
xCookieSlayer (25 days ago)
Hey never knew linus used solid works
Mandee Z (30 days ago)
offens is the best defense, amd fukked up on this one for not talking direct
Hicham Gouchida (1 month ago)
Give me one of your GPUs please
wikipedia 2 (1 month ago)
LMAO THERE WAS A FLY ON THAT BITCH
narinoes (1 month ago)
Rip tunnel bear :C
Toni Haralovic (1 month ago)
"The 700 dollar 1080 Ti"
CM Dell (1 month ago)
More proof AMD sucks and are just as shady if not more so than Nvidia
Clayton Snavely (1 month ago)
rip tunnel bear
Messiah38 (1 month ago)
I love AMD they allows supported the Mac , Nvidia didn’t didn’t support Mac until sawtooth G4 . AMD making cards with mini display port for Apple Cinema Display.
Konrad S (1 month ago)
Soo... AMD is just like Apple now ? So thats why my AMD procesor just died...
Wolf Walter (1 month ago)
Advise what to take for 3D modeling (for render and viewport) 1080ti, Vega FE, amd pro duo 16Gb???
bino ched (1 month ago)
FOAD, Linus
SniperManJack (1 month ago)
brought to you by....skip 10 sec...
Charles Fox (2 months ago)
#NVIDIAMASTERRACE
Red Racer (2 months ago)
Sounds like AMD fucked you over...
2000cobraguy (2 months ago)
So glad I bought a 1080ti, BEFORE the price hikes.
stevin47 (2 months ago)
amd does not care about drivers any more running the company in the ground for profit only not quility
oldcracker (2 months ago)
there was a bug on vega frontier LOL
gordan79 (2 months ago)
After months I finally managed to get my hands on a Vega card. The Linux software stack for it (driver and OpenCL downloadable from AMD) is completely broken and doesn't work at all. This is exactly the kind of kick in the groin that I've started to expect from AMD after a decade of repetition.
EFormance Engineering (2 months ago)
Smells to me like they the Frontier as the "release" version of the board, but found a bunch of limitations after ordering a gaggle of them, so they released them as the Frontier while the contract manufacturer retooled to make version 2 of the board, the W9100.
TheReaper11331 (2 months ago)
The stormtroopers thigh armor pieces are on the wrong thigh, and the bicep pieces are upside down! Great vid, just thought you should know!
Kameron Briggs (2 months ago)
Review the wx9100, i wont stop asking
Freakin Kat (2 months ago)
Good for you and your crew Linus! Seriously bro. Good for y’all. Don’t take no shit!
Lost Planet star g465C (2 months ago)
When AMD posted that comment that they would help you or give you support for that blue paper weight or $1,000 dollar paper weight, if I didn’t here back in a day I would of posted that video. How long does it take from someone from that company to come to your aid?
dsf fds (2 months ago)
best looking video card ever
nick graytown (2 months ago)
goshhhhhh rx vega fe very suck
thedillestpickle (2 months ago)
So does this mean that the WX 9100 will be just as unstable as the FE?
Boss Man (2 months ago)
why is there an ikea colorway?
Rodger Bruce (2 months ago)
Has anyone seen or bought video card from china. really low prices guessing scam? Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Have one to sell? Sell now Yeston GTX1060/1050Ti RX580/570/550 4/6/8GB GDDR5 256Bit DX12 Graphics Card Lot
Ahmad Abdallah (2 months ago)
AMD is shit
BD Photog (2 months ago)
Just another example of why I haven't bought ANYTHING from AMD in over 15 years...As soon as I could afford better, I went Intel and Nvidia and never looked back...Had too many issues with Radeon and early AMD cpus...
SALTY BOI (2 months ago)
this would be perfect for a fallout build.
Jonathan VonEngeln (2 months ago)
(rushed and unready) SAME DANG THING APPLIED TO VEGA56 and VEGA64 at Launch. They were absolute CRAP -- rushed and unready. I sold my Vegas in disgust within a couple months of buying them at launch.
Hannes Olsson (2 months ago)
I got fucked in the a** by AMD here. :(
Jonathan Williams (2 months ago)
My Vega FE spanks Titan XP scores in Perf but it might be to the newer pro drivers. But gaming yes my GTX 1080Ti benches higher.
Philip Hanhurst (2 months ago)
But Linus, *IT'S SO SEXY!*
Jahid H Miah (2 months ago)
anyone else notice the fly crawling on the bottom left hand side of the vega on the first display image that has the 1080 ti and titan V with it
LabTwenty (2 months ago)
Hi, I want to buy an external gpu enclosure for my Macbook 15 '2017, I need to know how work in Mac and play games on Windows (Bootcamp). I've been thinking for months, I do not know what to do. Currently I have a Titan Pasca XP in a Windows computer (No Bootcamp, in a clone Windows). I work video and I edit in Final Cut, I use Red Scarlet-W camera and a 4K monitor. I would infinitely appreciate your help, thanks in advance.
Nebel (2 months ago)
I'll buy this just because they compete with Nvidia... Well they try atleast...
vasily202 (2 months ago)
Seriously AMD is weak. nVidia is a far superior company. Only twice have I had AMD cards (long time ago) and once a processor. Last time I had an AMD it was whatever their rival to the GTX 480 was. What a mistake. Luckily I was able to return it two days later and get the GTX 480. It's like a company that just accepts that they suck and just try to be cheaper. Even since back in the days there have been issues with driver updates, and there still seems to be the same problem every time I watch a video of their cards. How many staff work at AMD? I feel like there is a secretary, a CEO and one programmer/designer. That's why they really suck. My last decade GPUs: GT 8500, Radeon something, 8800 GTX, GTX 260-216, Radeon/AMD something, GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680, GTX 780Ti, GTX 980Ti and now GTX 1080Ti. I noticed significant improvements from year to year, card to card except when going to AMD. Maybe cheaper but really not for enthusiasts... I said it...
Grant Ephross (2 months ago)
Sounds like they released a turd and painted it blue to hide it
Mark Yates (2 months ago)
Linus isn't Vega a workstation card lol. What were you trying to use it for. You just auto played. It's not for gaming. Everything I have heard is saying these newer AMD Vega cards are great for mining or workstations. Being that's the whole point of them I think it's a success.
sparkle goatz (2 months ago)
2:55 - I cried when he said that
sparkle goatz (2 months ago)
700$ to 900$ :l
gertjan van der meij (3 months ago)
Even IF AMD will ever stay behind Nvidia , i will still be a loyal customer and fan ! Nvidia = All about the money , AMD = All about the consumers !
gertjan van der meij (3 months ago)
With the new driver ( 18.Q1 ) update , a lot of 'problems' are solved ! They still run very good , i now have 4 , for a total of 181Mh/s !
Garden. (3 months ago)
Damn I was about to buy three of these for blender cycles rendering. Glad I didn't.
Dead isatisfy (3 months ago)
Nvidia can get away with being scummy because when they release a new product it actually moves the bar. When AMD does it... they release gear that underperforms for what they market it as...
Muhammed Rahman (3 months ago)
Any one see the fly? first 11 secs? Anyone?
The Chocolate Panzer (3 months ago)
Damn team red got roasted
Valperci Nabanalan (3 months ago)
and after a year it became just a Rysen APU on board graphic card
Mormodes (3 months ago)
Videos like this are why I watch this channel. If a company makes a crap product, people should know about it. Thanks for taking the monetary hit to figure it out. Next time, please just release the video!
Ambrose Killpack (3 months ago)
AMD vega kinda sucks
Jamell Moore (3 months ago)
I got the card and it is OK but i do agree we should be given some compensation as this was honestly a Beta card kinda living between Gaming and Professional world leading in neither. Also as expensive as it is i would need some time to justify its replacement.
Radkon Psygami (3 months ago)
I got sucked into buying this card...but then again so sites which benchmarked this card for pro use did give it good reviews and scores...so wtf?
Scherz Keks (3 months ago)
Thank you for stopping me buying that gpu. Hoped it is s good bang for buck gpu.
Speedo (3 months ago)
At least it looks awesome
Pretty shady amd wow
Murray Stenhouse (3 months ago)
3:00 $700 1080ti Those were the days. RIP GPU Prices - 2017 "Bitcoin was too much"
Chris Graves (3 months ago)
AMD Early access rip off by the sounds of it
derp derp (3 months ago)
vega sucks peeple buy pascal
Steelgirl (3 months ago)
700 for a 1080 Ti? Good old times...
NONEYOUR BUISSNESS (3 months ago)
Hello, i am Vega, the sentient gpu assigned to mars
I C (3 months ago)
AMD are always so defensive and passive-aggressive, going around your back doing exactly what they accuse others of doing.
bino ched (3 months ago)
Whiner.....these cards are awesome!
Andy T (4 months ago)
I can't stand the idea that some of the silicon I buy is perfectly capable of doing more, but it has been Hardware locked in order to create product tiers. This tiering of products is nuts. Like Apple selling 3 tiers of iPhone differing by $100 each level and only differing in storage size, which costs them about $13/tier. Or buying an intel chip to have some of it intentionally disabled, even though it likely works fine.
AR-Gaming (4 months ago)
why noy just unplug the fan and power it to 100% with a different power supply
MinecraftUndSo (4 months ago)
Yey Blender
Mark Aguilar (4 months ago)
AMD's real products are only RX series and Zen. Vega was a disaster scam and Vega Frontier was optimized for failure. AMD still doesn't have the capability to produce enthusiast-grade hardware for this generation. R7, R9 and Firepro were good but experimentation + hype = disaster when it comes to Vega.
Brooklyn TheFurry (4 months ago)
they just did the same as Nvidia does with there titan cards
KingG (4 months ago)
Ivan is hilarious.
dea gt (4 months ago)
AMD sucks! ;-)
Hobs Nobs (4 months ago)
I have no idea what your saying. Sorry :/
Karpov Liam (4 months ago)
I don't think AMD cares about GPU anymore unless it benefits miners.
paul jun (4 months ago)
Did anyone else see the bug at 0.19
I Love Japan (4 months ago)
But still Amd cards are preferred when it comes to mining cryptocurrencies
Buff Barnaby (4 months ago)
The Radeon guy bailed...says a lot about AMD.
Buff Barnaby (4 months ago)
Glad I took back my AMD pre-built and got a Blue/Green pre-built. Has Energy Star rating too !
Buff Barnaby (4 months ago)
Another Major Disaster
Buff Barnaby (4 months ago)
AMD good to heat a cold room
Sam Mecham (4 months ago)
This is why team green/blue (nvidia/intel) is better
Jocky Basant (4 months ago)
will you ever review hardware for those that don't want to play mainly games/do 3D modeling/videos with it? What about looking at the specs for once? The RHEL support on this card is extremely important for instance.
12 year old with aids (4 months ago)
Who said my last name?
Andrew Rossetta (4 months ago)
AMD FIX YOUR FUCKING DRIVERS FFS
KDingo81 (4 months ago)
Even so i bought a rx 580 last year (for 275 euros, before the gpu market went nuts) i hoped the rx vega would be an awesome gpu. I am not an amd fanboy, i dont give a fuck about brands, but we gamers, all of us, need competition in the graphics industrie and this is currently not the case. Thats why the graphic market is stalling for quite some time now, with lots of refresh launches with minimal changes to the previous years model. If Vega would have been what was promised we would have some real competition that would lower the prices and have both work on/release even faster ones in the near future to get ahead of each other. With vega being more of a joke there is absolutely no pressure on nvidia in the high end market. The vega just delivers the lower end high end performance for the price of a very high end one. You get much more bang for the bug from nvidias older model that was around for quite some time before vega launched. Its a shame, now we are going to stay in this stalled gpu market for even more years as nvidia has the comfortable lead and both brands can continue their retarded refresh releases every year with very minor changes/improvements to rip off some more customers. Sadly there is no 3rd gpu brand that could spice of the competition.
yo mom The Computer Guy (4 months ago)
like how theirs a bug crawling on the AMD card
Javier Perez (4 months ago)
So pissed I found this video so freaking late after dropping so much on my new rig fml
Alex Roman (4 months ago)
The Question of my Life (very actual in case of growing popularity of small PC cases or cases with windows) Dear community and testers ! I‘ve checked all of the internet but I still haven’t found accurate test and clear answer - do psi extenders (risers) effect performance in gaming ? Because the fact that increasing length leads to bigger latency and the bigger latency leads to slowing of the speed of exchanging data between GPU and the other PC components is evident. Games (in opposite to synthetic test) are continuing data exchange with GPU during the whole session, not only before start. So it seems to me that different GPUs with different values of GPU memory in different games with different lengths (and maybe even quality) of PCI extenders could show different results of such influence. Or maybe this influence so small that doesn’t worth mentioning. I will be happy with any help - clear Information, trustworthy links, accurate tests. Thank you very much)
Sleeping Giant Wake Up (4 months ago)
I go for who ever offers what I need...but what I can say on behave of AMD is this review seems kind of bias. Two core features which make the FE alone a game changer is the HBCC feature which takes some of the load off the VRAM which prevents crashing when the graphics card is running out of memory it also increases fps. Thats a feature you cant get from anyone else right now. Then theres the HBM2 memory which is faster and allows room for tons of more memory like the SSG's 2TB on board data....if I'm rendering a seen that exceeds the memory of a gtx 1080ti my application will crash or wont render at all....thats not the case with the Vega FE or Wx 9100 the HBCC will automatically allocate system RAM to assist....I do think that setting it up for optimum performance is not so simple though from what I've heard....maybe you should give it another shot now that since it's had sometime to settle in.
sanchy panchy (4 months ago)
0:10 that lil bug crawling around the vega gpu though
mikeccuk2005 (4 months ago)
AMD is limiting the performance, so when new Green product comes out, Red team just going to unlock some potentials just to keep the hype going
Masbor c4 (4 months ago)
i still member good old r9 x290 performance now, imho i think the drivers. amd sucks on the drivers
Christopher Shinn (4 months ago)
Has anything changed sense this video ?
D grave (4 months ago)
I think AMD should just make better cards and be truthful with their performance. Thank God I didn't buy any Vega cards as they look pretty horrendous.

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