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Early Access Hardware – The Problem With AMD Vega Frontier Edition

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Thomas Jansen (9 months ago)
This isnt the LTT i know, nobody gets pinned anymore
Omar Alawwad (4 months ago)
Thomas Jansen I
xXx_MlgTr1kSh00ter _Xx (4 months ago)
Hah gg
Freakin Kat (5 months ago)
Thomas Jansen lmfao!
Random Guy (9 months ago)
Thomas Jansen sucker
Thomas Jansen (9 months ago)
yes
AMD behaved quite badly in this situation. I am a fan of theirs so when I hear that they are actively trying to bury bad press using good will built up over time with channels like LTT it makes me disappointed and honestly, less likely to give AMD a pass on a good will proposition such as this in the future
weston tucker (5 days ago)
This seems worse than most stuff nvidia does
inthelandofnumbnuts (6 days ago)
Shame,shame and more shame to amd. i though it was bad enough, nvidia sweet talk you into bending over, so they can BF you. But to do the same thing with an BBC instead, and with no grease to boot...that's REAL FUCK UP AMD!!!!
dax connell (7 days ago)
RIP-off. even as a "work" gpu you are better off going Nvidia since you could get one for less with almost the same performance in the niche applications
William Henry (7 days ago)
C'mon Linus, we know that Nvidia owns you and wouldn't ever want you to promote a competing product
silvergreylion (10 days ago)
1:21 some intense blue light would've been more appropriate.
chasernitro0 (10 days ago)
old video, but who noticed the bug on the gpu at the beginning??? hahaha
Boredom Struck (14 days ago)
#linusbugtips 0:12
I think you wasted 1000$
Konchus Nando (15 days ago)
i appreciate the awkward b roll
Joshua Coursey (15 days ago)
wait....linus how dirty is your office? there is a gnat crawling on the vega gpu ahahaha, look at the 00:12 mark and you will see it sitting there on the vega
Ash Sherr (15 days ago)
I don't really see a difference between AMD and intel. We are talking about tehcnolgy that has advanced so much in the last 20 years that the differences between amd vs intel and how some chips are "better" for other things is so low that most end users will not notice either AMD or intels shortfalls. and that is why I like AMD and continue to buy AMD products, regardless of reviews. I mean shit we live in a time where you can play GTAV on a AMD AUP or intel i5 U series with no lag.
Can this video card do REAL Time playback in After Effects project with RED camera 4K RAW R3D files? 4K Full Resolution.
Matt Gallant (19 days ago)
That Vega is a bit buggy
Micah Domine (20 days ago)
0:11 there was a literal bug on the card...
todd scholefield (23 days ago)
Amd is shit they always have bin shit there like apple. They put out junk and want an arm and a lag for it. Fuck you amd, go green and get a gtx or titan card you’ll have more value every time.
GatorSK1N (25 days ago)
lol can you tell Linus Tech Tips is owned by Nvidia!!! XD dying
TheRicheg (1 month ago)
Looks like a brick switch the production line to a better design thats what i think
Turbone (1 month ago)
Hah, that dude who was acting to be AMD is hella funny
darkside924 (1 month ago)
What headphones is he using at 5:34?
jack johnson (1 month ago)
oh god....no god no no no not TUNNEL BEAR AGAIN!!! hahaha i know ya gotta do it to pay the bills but it still is annoying al the same lol
Sabdiel Martinez (1 month ago)
1:15 i thought it was a ducking laptop
Rolf Berge (1 month ago)
Nvidia and intel will always kick amd's ass.
Sylvester Miller (1 month ago)
Great and insightful review! I have this Vega FE, I got it when it was released. On a Hackintosh rig: * GIGABYTE Z270X-UD5 1151 * Intel I7-7700K * AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 16GB * Ballistix Sport LT 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR4 2400 (PC4 19200) * SAMSUNG 960 EVO M.2 500GB NVMe I am going to upgrade to dual video cards, would another Vega FE be overkill or would 2 (Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 580 8GB)'s be better?
Michael Jensen (1 month ago)
Yeahhhh.... Fuck AMD for that behavior. I used to be a giant fanboy because of the value prop of their low end line up (i.e. price per performance; if you're willing to sacrifice a little stability) -- but for workstations, and high end gear (even in 2018 with Ryzen 2), their line up is not at all competitive (imo).
Ayan Barnwal (1 month ago)
This is why you undervolt.
VireakDara Soun (2 months ago)
Dose AMD vega frontier 4 way crossfire?
caleb grefe (2 months ago)
You guys are the ones who failed. You're supposed to warn consumers about products like this but you choose not to, because AMD asked you not to. So you tried to make up for it with this to little, to late apology video.
KoiNova, Trademark (2 months ago)
Vega FREAKIN' HOT Edition
jap susanto kevin (2 months ago)
AMD can just fuck off honestly i have use AMD cpus before but now im totally switching to intel.
Karan Dhindsa (2 months ago)
did no one noticed the god damn fly in first shot!!
gwolf1985 (2 months ago)
Invidia that all you think about is faster . well the 1080 may be faster but have you ever stop to slow down think about the video quality of each card . I have seen them both and AMD video card quality is much better that means they taken there time to do something right . and Invidia has rushed there card to go faster . now take the quality out and see how fast they go .
Kevin Smith (2 months ago)
6 months later. Crypto craze has hit. Vega 64 is $700. A $700 Vega Frontier Edition makes sense. Can always get better cooling on it.
thetwinkleturnip (2 months ago)
Except in real world FE consistently comes in somewhere between 1080 and 1080ti, which makes it attractive in memory intensive applications; probably doesn't make sense for gametards like Linus the Tech Tool and his weenies, for some applications where the additional 30% memory overhead is important FE is a good choice.
Sri Koundinya Mutnuri (2 months ago)
Hi Linus Big fan of your take on content generation and tech reviews. Wanted to know if you'd ever have a chance to review the AMD SSG and also make a video here in India. Looking forward to your response.
Vita Eve (2 months ago)
Raja, you traitor.
diogenes of indy (2 months ago)
at 0:12 there is a gnat or something crawling on the frontier edition, is that because its trash?\
rachtblaster (2 months ago)
just relised thers a bug crawling on the vega
Y B (2 months ago)
Please do a Radeon Pro Duo Polaris review or comparison!!
Delta_Dan (2 months ago)
0:12 BUG!
Chillypuwn (2 months ago)
god im getting tired of these forced adds.....
R O H (2 months ago)
Color of this gpu is bad
Kevin McMahon (3 months ago)
Both Radeon and NVidia have let us down. I do 4K 10bit color editing in Divinci Resolve and I don't care about gameing. I want more cores or streaming units. I want more than 16 gigabytes of VRam. I have a LGA2011 rig with X99 chipset and it is blisteringly fast all by itself. The graphics card I have comes from that era, namely a R7970/R9280. Coining has robbed me of better video editing, so now I wait until the price of ram and vid cards comes back to a reasonable price. I will wait until early 2019 before I look again. My Blackmagic Camera outputs are strangled by the tech sphere.
Nikolaos Tsarmpopoulos (3 months ago)
@Linus very useful video. However, I wouldn't give credit to NVIDIA for unlocking FP64 on Titan Xp for selected applications only, after AMD released Vega FE. It was clearly intended for damaging AMD's prospects in particular sectors of the market.
You guys are too nice about this. You got played.
Alex Ackerman (3 months ago)
Why is there a bug crawling on it?
Genguise (3 months ago)
you're actually biased as fuck.you give the tanky nvidia cards a fair trial and only try them in proper benchmarking softwares like cinebench and you should have realised early on that a card with 16 gigabytes of ram wouldn't be for gaming. we all know you're not that dumb, don't pretend you are
xCookieSlayer (3 months ago)
Hey never knew linus used solid works
Mandee Z (3 months ago)
offens is the best defense, amd fukked up on this one for not talking direct
Hicham Gouchida (4 months ago)
Give me one of your GPUs please
wikipedia 2 (4 months ago)
LMAO THERE WAS A FLY ON THAT BITCH
narinoes (4 months ago)
Rip tunnel bear :C
Toni Haralovic (4 months ago)
"The 700 dollar 1080 Ti"
CM Dell (4 months ago)
More proof AMD sucks and are just as shady if not more so than Nvidia
Cheatose (4 months ago)
rip tunnel bear
Messiah38 (4 months ago)
I love AMD they allows supported the Mac , Nvidia didn’t didn’t support Mac until sawtooth G4 . AMD making cards with mini display port for Apple Cinema Display.
Konrad S (4 months ago)
Soo... AMD is just like Apple now ? So thats why my AMD procesor just died...
Wolf Walter (4 months ago)
Advise what to take for 3D modeling (for render and viewport) 1080ti, Vega FE, amd pro duo 16Gb???
bino ched (4 months ago)
FOAD, Linus
SniperManJack (4 months ago)
brought to you by....skip 10 sec...
Charles Fox (5 months ago)
#NVIDIAMASTERRACE
Red Racer (5 months ago)
Sounds like AMD fucked you over...
2000cobraguy (5 months ago)
So glad I bought a 1080ti, BEFORE the price hikes.
stevin47 (5 months ago)
amd does not care about drivers any more running the company in the ground for profit only not quility
oldcracker (5 months ago)
there was a bug on vega frontier LOL
gordan79 (5 months ago)
After months I finally managed to get my hands on a Vega card. The Linux software stack for it (driver and OpenCL downloadable from AMD) is completely broken and doesn't work at all. This is exactly the kind of kick in the groin that I've started to expect from AMD after a decade of repetition.
EFormance Engineering (5 months ago)
Smells to me like they the Frontier as the "release" version of the board, but found a bunch of limitations after ordering a gaggle of them, so they released them as the Frontier while the contract manufacturer retooled to make version 2 of the board, the W9100.
TheReaper11331 (5 months ago)
The stormtroopers thigh armor pieces are on the wrong thigh, and the bicep pieces are upside down! Great vid, just thought you should know!
Kameron Briggs (5 months ago)
Review the wx9100, i wont stop asking
Freakin Kat (5 months ago)
Good for you and your crew Linus! Seriously bro. Good for y’all. Don’t take no shit!
Green Sage (5 months ago)
When AMD posted that comment that they would help you or give you support for that blue paper weight or $1,000 dollar paper weight, if I didn’t here back in a day I would of posted that video. How long does it take from someone from that company to come to your aid?
dsf fds (5 months ago)
best looking video card ever
nick graytown (5 months ago)
goshhhhhh rx vega fe very suck
thedillestpickle (5 months ago)
So does this mean that the WX 9100 will be just as unstable as the FE?
Boss Man (5 months ago)
why is there an ikea colorway?
Rodger Bruce (5 months ago)
Has anyone seen or bought video card from china. really low prices guessing scam? Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Yeston-GTX1060-1050Ti-RX580-570-550-4-6-8GB-GDDR5-256Bit-DX12-Graphics-Card-Lot Have one to sell? Sell now Yeston GTX1060/1050Ti RX580/570/550 4/6/8GB GDDR5 256Bit DX12 Graphics Card Lot
Ahmad Abdallah (5 months ago)
AMD is shit
BD Photog (5 months ago)
Just another example of why I haven't bought ANYTHING from AMD in over 15 years...As soon as I could afford better, I went Intel and Nvidia and never looked back...Had too many issues with Radeon and early AMD cpus...
SALTY BOI (5 months ago)
this would be perfect for a fallout build.
Jonathan VonEngeln (5 months ago)
(rushed and unready) SAME DANG THING APPLIED TO VEGA56 and VEGA64 at Launch. They were absolute CRAP -- rushed and unready. I sold my Vegas in disgust within a couple months of buying them at launch.
Hannes Olsson (5 months ago)
I got fucked in the a** by AMD here. :(
John Williams (5 months ago)
My Vega FE spanks Titan XP scores in Perf but it might be to the newer pro drivers. But gaming yes my GTX 1080Ti benches higher.
Philip Hanhurst (5 months ago)
But Linus, *IT'S SO SEXY!*
Jahid H Miah (5 months ago)
anyone else notice the fly crawling on the bottom left hand side of the vega on the first display image that has the 1080 ti and titan V with it
LabTwenty (5 months ago)
Hi, I want to buy an external gpu enclosure for my Macbook 15 '2017, I need to know how work in Mac and play games on Windows (Bootcamp). I've been thinking for months, I do not know what to do. Currently I have a Titan Pasca XP in a Windows computer (No Bootcamp, in a clone Windows). I work video and I edit in Final Cut, I use Red Scarlet-W camera and a 4K monitor. I would infinitely appreciate your help, thanks in advance.
Nebel (5 months ago)
I'll buy this just because they compete with Nvidia... Well they try atleast...
vasily202 (5 months ago)
Seriously AMD is weak. nVidia is a far superior company. Only twice have I had AMD cards (long time ago) and once a processor. Last time I had an AMD it was whatever their rival to the GTX 480 was. What a mistake. Luckily I was able to return it two days later and get the GTX 480. It's like a company that just accepts that they suck and just try to be cheaper. Even since back in the days there have been issues with driver updates, and there still seems to be the same problem every time I watch a video of their cards. How many staff work at AMD? I feel like there is a secretary, a CEO and one programmer/designer. That's why they really suck. My last decade GPUs: GT 8500, Radeon something, 8800 GTX, GTX 260-216, Radeon/AMD something, GTX 480, GTX 580, GTX 680, GTX 780Ti, GTX 980Ti and now GTX 1080Ti. I noticed significant improvements from year to year, card to card except when going to AMD. Maybe cheaper but really not for enthusiasts... I said it...
Grant Ephross (5 months ago)
Sounds like they released a turd and painted it blue to hide it
Mark Yates (5 months ago)
Linus isn't Vega a workstation card lol. What were you trying to use it for. You just auto played. It's not for gaming. Everything I have heard is saying these newer AMD Vega cards are great for mining or workstations. Being that's the whole point of them I think it's a success.
sparkle goatz (5 months ago)
2:55 - I cried when he said that
sparkle goatz (5 months ago)
700$ to 900$ :l
gertjan van der meij (6 months ago)
Even IF AMD will ever stay behind Nvidia , i will still be a loyal customer and fan ! Nvidia = All about the money , AMD = All about the consumers !
gertjan van der meij (6 months ago)
With the new driver ( 18.Q1 ) update , a lot of 'problems' are solved ! They still run very good , i now have 4 , for a total of 181Mh/s !
Garden. (6 months ago)
Damn I was about to buy three of these for blender cycles rendering. Glad I didn't.
Dead isatisfy (6 months ago)
Nvidia can get away with being scummy because when they release a new product it actually moves the bar. When AMD does it... they release gear that underperforms for what they market it as...
Muhammed Rahman (6 months ago)
Any one see the fly? first 11 secs? Anyone?
The Chocolate Panzer (6 months ago)
Damn team red got roasted
Mormodes (6 months ago)
Videos like this are why I watch this channel. If a company makes a crap product, people should know about it. Thanks for taking the monetary hit to figure it out. Next time, please just release the video!
Ambrose Killpack (6 months ago)
AMD vega kinda sucks
Jamell Moore (6 months ago)
I got the card and it is OK but i do agree we should be given some compensation as this was honestly a Beta card kinda living between Gaming and Professional world leading in neither. Also as expensive as it is i would need some time to justify its replacement.

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